It is then taken for granted that these two beliefs are present in Daniel 7. . Who is the “one like a son of man” who comes with the clouds of heaven to be presented before the Ancient of Days in Daniel 7:13? However, the beasts came from the sea but are later interpreted as “four kings who shall arise out of the earth” (Dan. Does your larger historical interpretive schema require “one like a son of man” to NOT be a prophecy fulfilled by Jesus?

Reading backwards? I am arguing that the fulfilled son of man prophecy in Jesus does have a bearing on the interpretation of the verses in Daniel 7 (reading backwards). There is no heavenly figure involved here. The “anointed one” (9:26) and the “prince of the covenant (11:22) appear to be the high priest Onias III, who was deposed in 175 BC and killed in 170 BC. 10:16); or they are simply referred to as a “man” (Dan. Could you please help me understand the practical consequences…? In reply to Again, regarding the Rock by Craig. God gives to this figure, which I take to stand for righteous Israel…”. I’m not just (or even at all) arguing from later dogmatic tradition, but also for an interpretation which takes into account the self-conscious fulfilment of the ‘son of man’ prophecy and his identity by Jesus, and what that looked like. In Daniel “holy ones” (qaddishin) or “watchers” appear to Nebuchadnezzar in a dream or pass judgment on him, “to the end that the living may know that the Most High rules the kingdom of men and gives it to whom he will and sets over it the lowliest of men” (Dan. He is not a combatant. Even in the association of Peter with “the rock” in the gospels, there is a twist in the tail, which I’m sure you are well aware of. My son Daniel took his own life five weeks ago on 12/04/10.

It seems out of the question that they are meant to be regarded as the same “saints” who are warred against and worn down by Antiochus, who receive and possess the kingdom, and to whom will be given “the kingdom and the dominion and the greatness of the kingdoms under the whole heaven” (Dan. History pulls it in another. 7:8, 23; 11:36). It is actually NOT fully dependent on the prophet to supply all meaning in interpreting prophetic literature (i.e. The fourth beast is killed in front of the throne and its body destroyed by fire that issues from the throne of God. 7:17). So the one like a son of man comes “to the Ancient of Days” in the Aramaic text. :>. A fourth observation is that just as Jesus is believed by most, if not all, to be a unique person combining humanity and divinity, so too the son of man figure in Daniel 7 can be understood to reflect divine qualities, and those not simply by virtue of delegation. No official music video was ever made for the song “Daniel”. But the terminology is different, and given the presence of angels in human form in the later chapters, we might wonder why no narrative or thematic correspondence is found with the vision of Daniel 7. The same Spirit who set up a “joke” later reveals the “punchline”. When Matthew applies Isaiah 40:3 to John the Baptist, he knows full well that in its original context the verse had reference to the return from exile. Michael? It does not prove your point, and in fact, considering the connections between Jesus and the ‘rock’ metaphor, there is further reason to connect the prophetic vision with Jesus himself, personally and individually. Some commentators, especially those who want to dispute the Roman Catholic dogma of Peter being inaugurated here as the first Pope, argue that “this rock”, on which Jesus says he will be build his church, is not Peter, petros, the “little rock”, but Jesus himself, the big rock — petra.
I’m not sure the only way of reading the ‘son of man’ prophecy is by reading forwards, in the way you suggest it. On this basis it might be argued that the son of man figure is an or the ancient of days. The visionary events described in Daniel 7:2-14 take place on earth, not in heaven. 33:3); in the Psalms the “holy ones” may be Israel (Ps. 14:14) may provide an interesting perspective here. In reply to Reading backwards? What happened to the promised land? Murphy argues that the angelic interpretation is confirmed by the War Scroll: God “will raise up Michael in the midst of the gods, and the realm of Israel in the midst of all flesh”.2 But here too Michael has authority before the great conflict; he is not vindicated or rewarded after it: “He will send eternal support to the company of His redeemed by the power of the majestic angel of the authority of Michael” (1QM 17:6). My response was also only about the son of man figure — and limiting that largely to 7:13-14 and 7:27, though the rest of the passage is important. It is a rule that mirrors God’s own rule over the nations. Once revelation clarifies fulfillment, we can then appropriately look backwards with enlightened eyes to the setup. I think instead of batting verses back and forth, it might be more worthwile addressing this issue. The rock is left unidentified in the prophecy. Again, regarding the Rock/Stone references in the NT: what Peter said! to the son of man figure. It appeared on Elton John’s 1973 album Don't Shoot Me I'm Only the Piano Player. Perhaps the most significant underlying issue in these exchanges is my criticism of your methodology, that scripture can be entirely understod by ‘reading forward’ from earlier passages, without ’reading backward’ in the light of sometimes very different ways in which scripture was fulfilled. Obviously, Jesus may have developed or altered the historical meaning—that is another matter. Just to be clear, in the latter, Daniel says: “It will crush all those kingdoms and bring them to an end, but it will itself endure forever. The references to the “saints of the most high” as recipients and beneficiaries of this kingdom — THIS is what relates to God’s people. Jesus plays on the two words: Peter — petros, and rock — petra. All three rock/stone passages refer to Jesus. However, Elton put so much pressure on the record company they were forced to release the song as a single. Published October 11, 2020. It became obvious in the events which followed his resurrection, in the outworking of Acts and the commentary of the epistles. These are my reasons for preferring the symbolic-corporate interpretation.

Collins calls it “perhaps the most celebrated question in all the apocalyptic literature”.1. Because of what it says about ‘the son of man’, the New Testament (not a ‘dogmatic position’) then interprets Daniel, and the ‘son of man’ figure especially.
The “one like a son of man” comes with the “clouds of heaven”, which could readily be taken to mean that he resides in heaven. But the basic outcome would be to allow the historical meaning of Daniel 7 to inform the interpretation of the New Testament passages. This may mean, of course, that we also need to reckon with the development of the motif in first century Jewish apocalyptic. “Daniel” is a song by British singer and songwriter Elton John. Create an account with SongMeanings to post comments, submit lyrics, and more. The second is the view that the heavenly dimension to the Son of Man imagery points to a high christology according to which Jesus shares in the divine identity.

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